i was just reading through some post(not intending to actually start a thread) and a sister calls to confirm our families service plans for tomorrow.
the funny part is i told my wife earlier this week that this organization is complete b.s.
guess i'll be cool about it because my wife was not all that upset or surprised.
It's probably what your kids are saying, "Do mum & dad really go in for this crap?"
You might be surprised by the reaction of your kids if you show them some of the logical nonsense of the cult - they are possibly just going through the motions currently for you! And if not, it is your duty to teach them about The Lie.
my son goes to a very competitive and expensive private school in ct. there are two jw families that also go there.
so tonight he had a choir performance.
one of the jws is also in choir.
It's amazing they do any more than the legal minimum, after all, the big A is right around the corner, right soon now, any minute now.....
If it wasn't a legal requirement I think most dubs would have their kids at home, learning all they need to know from the Washtowel Drudgery & Slaveholdery Corporation of New York.
ok, does this thing sound right to you?
2 special trees, middle of the garden, 30 years messin' about (at least according the spineless and shivering slave) blah blah blah .... and it never occured to the dumb twat to eat from the tree of life?
what a dumbass!
Of course we weren't there! It's just a story from some bronze age goatherd or something. But what kind of cop out is that? That kind of argument will never help those lurking here who are struggling with the nonsense the Bait & Switchtower has put in their heads. The Wholly Babble reckons it is God's undisputable word, THE TRUTH, so if we proceed on that premise we can then quote scripture and say, "This is what the Wholly Babble claims to have taken place, but does it make any sense?"
But it doesn't make any sense. That's the point. It is NONSENSE!
i was pondering this question today.
i thought it might be an interesting tactic to use with my family.
if i simply asked that they prove all beliefs by the bible alone.. growing up - every time discipline or counsel was given - it was based on getting out the bound volumes.
If the JW's beliefs were based on the Wholly Babble and not the Washtowel's teachings, then those beliefs would not, could not, change direction 180 degrees with the issue of a new Washtowel magazine. And no, going back to an older teaching is not "new light", e.g. organ transplants, the generation, sodom etc etc
has there been another book released dealing w/the subject or is this the only book?.
thank you for your help.. juni .
I doubt they will ever publish another book that tackles science issues, as the original Evolution book has been exposed quite properly for the ridiculous shite it truly is. This is how I came to know the truth about the Lie.
The new book doesn't really try to tackle anything - just kind of "aren't rainbows nice, so there must be a god" drivel - but this link has good stuff on both:
ok, does this thing sound right to you?
2 special trees, middle of the garden, 30 years messin' about (at least according the spineless and shivering slave) blah blah blah .... and it never occured to the dumb twat to eat from the tree of life?
what a dumbass!
Well of course it's just a story, but a billion people think it's real, so saying it's just a story won't help them. That's why it's good to take these stories apart, brick by brick, so that one day, someone reading these threads will have a light bulb go off in their brain!
That's why I want some biblical types to speak up for their beliefs. (I generally get no answers from bible believers, boo hoo!)
the account of adam and eve as a literal event is so full of logical contradictions that it is mind-boggling.
it only takes a minimum of scrutiny to discover that fact, too.. there is something god did not want adam and eve to know.
he didnt want them to know the difference between good and evil.
Well, I only just noticed this thread is 7 years old!! My o my!
Anyway, whilst we are on the subject... how the fuck did J Hoover, supposedly "good", know all about evil, eh? I mean, how did the "knowledge of good AND evil" get into the tree if Hoover didn't put it there, hmm? Maybe Hoover put in the good bit and satan put in the bad bit? But as Hoover was lying about the tree of life, and the serpent told the truth what does that tell us about the original meaning of the words good and bad. Maybe we have it all the wrong way round!
the account of adam and eve as a literal event is so full of logical contradictions that it is mind-boggling.
it only takes a minimum of scrutiny to discover that fact, too.. there is something god did not want adam and eve to know.
he didnt want them to know the difference between good and evil.
Sorry Farkel, but AGuest's rantings sometimes need a tonic.
I am a father. I want my child to know enough about good to make the right decision. Example. (Insert any good example you like.)
I am a father. I want my child to know enough about bad to make the right decision. Example. Listen carefully chickpea, you must never, ever go with or get in a car with a stranger, because they will do something bad to you.
Now, supposing my chickpea gets in a car with a stranger (i.e. does bad), what do you think my reaction should be? I abandon you to the evil, oh and all your offspring to time indefinite? No, only J Hoover would do something so despicable. I would go after them and get my baby back! With extra hugs and kisses!
(Excellent post Farkel btw)
where to start?.
i thought about typing out a nutshelled life history but changed my mind.
suffice it to say, i was born into "the truth," attempted suicide at 14, "lost my faith" at this time, beat into submission into carrying on as usual, endured a horrible marriage and equally horrible divorce, and am more or less still in it (appearances only!
Well howdie Lady not so Zombie!
If you're 38 yrs old you really should appreciate that your parents can't live your life for you, and you can't live their life for them. Of course, in the strange world of JW's nothing is this simple! Nevertheless, you are a human being, and you should consider the needs of Lady not so Zombie to be of equal (more IMHO) weight as your parents. They have chosen their path. You choose yours. Do you really want to live this double life? Obviously not. It isn't easy though is it? Why not do the slow fade as many others have successfully done. Moving far away from a JW family can also help in this.
Oh, and 38 aint so old! I turned 40 last year and decided to move to the other side of the planet, learn a new language, and learn to ride a motorbike! Way too much fun!!
Be happy Lady not so Zombie!
ok, does this thing sound right to you?
2 special trees, middle of the garden, 30 years messin' about (at least according the spineless and shivering slave) blah blah blah .... and it never occured to the dumb twat to eat from the tree of life?
what a dumbass!
They never ate from the tree of life. The Wholly Babble says J E Hoover - plus unnamed friend as he says "we"- put the angel guards at the entrance to the garden so as to stop the naughty couple from eating from the tree of life and "living to time indefinite".
But why didn't Adam eat it earlier? There was no restriction about it!
Oh wait! Let me see...
Eve: So, Adam, God said we were not to eat of just the tree of knowledge of good and bad, correct?
Adam: Yep, pretty sure about that now. Well, He's been goin' on about it for 30 years, so I'm pretty sure that's it.
Eve: (sigh!) Ok, and there is no restriction on eating from the tree of life?
Adam: Correct again! You're real quick Eve! Took me ages to get that!
Eve: (bigger sigh) Ok, never mind. Now listen, God is trying to tell us something. We are SUPPOSED to eat from the tree of life!
Adam: Wow! That never occured to me!
Eve: Why am I not surprised!
Adam: Errr... what?
Eve: Never mind. Just tell me which tree is which.
Adam: Errr... eenie meenie... THAT ONE!
